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Magazine's 'satirical' cover stirs controversy

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Barack Obama's campaign says a satirical New Yorker magazine cover showing the Democratic presidential candidate dressed as a Muslim and his wife as a terrorist is "tasteless and offensive."

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Dust-So. Cal.

Yes, someone tells the TRUTH!!

  • 7 votes
#1 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 12:35 PM EDT
royalcat

And where is the truth in this cartoon?

  • 3 votes
#1.1 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 12:49 PM EDT
Pfffft!

They nailed it.....right down to the fist bump......fo shizzle

  • 3 votes
#1.2 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 1:22 PM EDT
Kent McMillen

If the author of this cartoon thinks for ONE MINUTE that he/she will change my mind about who to vote for in November, they are sadly mistaken! I would not change my decision, if John McCain were portrayed as Adolph Hitler. Most Americans are smarter than that! This smaks of "tail gunner Joe" MCarthy! I thought we had moved on!

  • 5 votes
#1.3 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 1:32 PM EDT
Ro-376281

So Pfffft everyone that give a fist bump (or what is really know as a "pound")is a terrorist? In that case all people of color who gives fist ponds is a terrorist if fist pounding is an act of terrorism now.

  • 4 votes
#1.4 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 1:52 PM EDT
Terry G. Fisher

Rare birds, ALL of you. Red necked geese. Don't you see that cartoon is a satire making fun of the stooges who STILL believe Obama IS a Muslim. No? Maybe you should buy a chimp and arrange a brain exchange. It won't be much of an upgrade though.

  • 4 votes
#1.5 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 2:07 PM EDT
ladylove32

This is a senseless and tasteless way to portray the next president of the U.S. and the first lady. How disrespectful! But what else can we expected from a bunch of bigots??? It just further proves that the more things change, the more they stay the same because the majorities in society are still being motivated by fear. How sad! Neither Barack or Michelle Obama has given any indication of being muslim or a terrorists. It was Osama Bin Laden and his Iraqi tribe who terrorized and attacked the U.S. on 9/11, not BLACKS and it was because of our WHITE government that this happened, so how is it that blacks are now being portrayed as terrorists? Furthermore, the legacy of slavery is where terrorism began and most acts are still being pepertrated even today, so blacks are the victims, not the villians of terrorists attacks. Let's not get it twisted. For all who are afraid of the next president of the U.S. being a black man - GET OVER IT! It will happen and there's not a darn thing you can do about it. And this article has absolutely NO affect on who I will vote for in November.

OBAMA in 08!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • 4 votes
#1.6 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 2:31 PM EDT
wmolaw

Ladylove:

Ah, the politics of race. This was meant to be SATIRE!

Get it? The New Yorker isn't exactly a right wing mouthpiece!

  • 1 vote
#1.7 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 2:40 PM EDT
CairoThespia

Muslim doent NOT equal Terrorsit. Islam is the second largest religion in the world and the fastest growing religion right now. I understand the cartoon is a satire, so I'm not upsetabout the cartoon...I am upset about the people who think Muslim and terrorist are interchangable words. People who point to Obama and say "Muslim!" as if somone choosing to be of this religion is also choosing to be a terrorist. Muslim terroists are extreemists Muslims that muslims themselves do not consider part of Islam. There are also Christian extreemists that blow up abortion clinics...But pointing the figure at somoneand calling them "Christian!" is not an insult...why is that?

  • 5 votes
#1.8 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 2:45 PM EDT
sarabizz

I am putting this here because you imbeciles dont read or check anything. Read this and stop being racists and overly religious.

THIS IS FACT.

As with his 1988 ad attacking Michael Dukakis for being soft on crime, Brown has grounded his assault on Barack Obama on a seemingly solid fact. It is true that the Associated Press reported, in passing back in January, that Obama was "enrolled as a Muslim" in a Catholic school in Indonesia in 1967. He was six years' old at the time. The bulk of the AP article was devoted to rebutting rumors that the Illinois senator had attended an Islamic madrassa while growing up in Indonesia.

Documents viewed by the AP showed that students attending the Fransiskus Assisis Catholic school were registered under one of five different religions: Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist, Catholic or Protestant. Obama, then known as Barry, attended the school from 1st through 3rd grade as student 203. He later enrolled in Public Elementary School Menteng No. 1, a school incorrectly described by the Washington Times Insight magazine and Fox News as an Islamic madrassa.

The Brown ad misses out key facts that cast a very different light on Obama's Muslim connections. At the Catholic school, he was required to participate in Catholic rituals and pray four times a day. Teachers quoted by the Chicago Tribune said that he was probably registered as a Muslim because this was the religion of his then-Indonesian step-father, Lolo Soetero. Like many Indonesians, Soetero was a rather lax Muslim who drank and did not abide by the strict tenets of the faith.

More importantly, the Brown ad attaches far too much importance to an entry in a ledger written under unknown circumstances more than 40 years ago. The Tribune report notes that the ledger entry was "rife with errors." It listed Obama as an Indonesian, gave an inaccurate name for his previous school, and made no mention of his mother. It is unclear who wrote the ledger entry, which can be viewed at the school but is unavailable on-line.

While historians generally prefer written evidence to oral evidence, documents can also be misleading, or simply inaccurate, on occasion. As I mentioned in a previous post, there is no record of John McCain's birth in the Panama Canal Zone in the records of the Canal Zone Health Department, now available at the National Archives. After reviewing all the available evidence, I nevertheless concluded that McCain was born in the Canal Zone, as he has stated.

It seems clear that Obama, who grew up in Hawaii and Indonesia, was exposed to many cultural and religious influences as a child. But he appears to have shown little interest in organized religion until he "found Christ," in the Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago in the mid-80s. The dominant influence in his life was neither his father (whom he barely knew) or his stepfather, but his mother, Ann Dunham, a free-spirited type he once described as a "secular humanist."

The Obama campaign says they believe that the Muslim notation was made in the ledger because that was the nominal religion of Barack's stepfather, now deceased. Campaign spokesman Tommy Vietor said that Obama "is not, and was never, a Muslim." The campaign yesterday established a new website, Fight the Smears, to counter such rumors.

  • 2 votes
#1.9 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 2:50 PM EDT
john-376935

This picture is 100% correct. Nice work!

  • 5 votes
#1.10 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 2:51 PM EDT
sarabizz

definition of satire:
A literary work in which human vice or folly is attacked through irony, derision, or wit.

if they are saying this is satire @!$%# THE NEW YORKER. obama is our only hope. and deep down all you racist, scared, uneducated, blind, stupid stupid stupid idiots know it.

lets show mccain is a pair of the BIGGEST FLIP FLOPS EVER and i might, might, consider buying the new yorker again. until then, i am cancelling my subscription.

  • 1 vote
#1.11 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 2:54 PM EDT
Jsquirl

" Terrorist" figures the drive by news media would screw that one up. Obama's wife is pictured as the Black MILITANT that she is. Not a terrorist. And yes he does have muslim roots and a muslim name. so the satirist portrayed him as muslim. THIS IS SATIRE Get Over It.

  • 2 votes
#1.12 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 3:02 PM EDT
Ricky411

Truth does hurt.

  • 2 votes
#1.13 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 3:22 PM EDT
jeepcop

All Muslims aren't terrorists...BUT...most terrorists are Muslims or have ties to them...and God help us if Obama is the next presidentt

  • 2 votes
#1.14 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 3:49 PM EDT
JalJones

How do you know most terrorists are Muslims? You got some facts or figures? And Franky, why is it an issue if he was a Muslim? What if he was Jew, or Hindu or Mormon?

He is running for president not for Pope or Imam or Rabbi or whatever. This satirical cover just illustrates the wackyness of the belief of some in the right, the haters. How rediculous! Very courages of the New Yorker...I'll think I'll look into getting a subscription.

  • 2 votes
#1.15 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 4:10 PM EDT
netprophet

Many people will support the ridiculous distortions on the internet and on Fox propaganda channel either because they are one of the brainwashers or one of the brainwashed. I'm hoping that there are more brainwashers in these posts than brainwashed because if you really believe that Michelle Obama was giving a terrorist fist bump then your perception of reality is a little shaky.

I'm glad that the New Yorker is actually addressing these issues. Their cover was designed to get attention- and they got it. McCain's best hope is that the card carrying racists come out in droves to vote against the black guy. They'll call him a Muslim or a terrorist, but all they're really doing is reinforcing the idea that we can't trust a black man- good old fashioned racism in the key states of Ohio and Pennsylvania can win this thing for McCain. We need to talk about this stuff because there are a lot of people out there who may vote for Obama, if they can just get past his blackness. They need some reassurances that Obama isn't going to 'get whitey' before they pull that lever for a black guy. Sad but true. Nice job New Yorker.

    #1.16 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 4:39 PM EDT
    Chicadee1

    First let me say that for a world renowned US magazine to print a satirical cover of a war time candidate for the US Presidency which depicts the candidate in robes and headdress intended to represent the professed religion of our current terrorist enemies, and to depict his accomplished, lady wife, the mother of his two young children in camouflage battle dress with her hair styled to resemble the black militant styles of 40 years ago, and showing them exchanging a fist pound which some commentators say has a racially significant meaning which escapes me at the moment, was a serious miscalculation on the part of the New Yorker editors.

    In the charged atmosphere of this presidential election this cover is an outrage and insulting far beyond any satirical value it may posses. This election campaign which seems poised to bring out that which is best and worst in our society and in our citizens, is destined to expose much of the bigotry and racial antipathy we've been sweeping under the rug for decades whenever the world came calling, but haul out when long cherished prejudices are needed to reinforce an aversion to dark skin color. Reasoned argument is no match for irrational emotional reactions. So it's time to realize and acknowledge that those who harbor such prejudices don't care if Senator Obama is a brilliant political leader, possess admirable family values, worships a Christian God, or is a patriotic American to his core. I suspect that Individuals participating in this discussion who abhor the thought of any black man presiding in the Oval Office understand perfectly the satirical nature of the New Yorker cover. But just as there are none so blind as those who will not see, nor so deaf as those who will not hear, there are also none so close-minded as those who know their hearts and minds harbor racial prejudices they are too fond of to relinquish. And so they pretend blindness to the intended absurdity of the cover and contrarily choose to see the cover as "Truth At Last". New Yorker magazine has given these willfully unenlightened individuals an image that will be cherished and reproduced a thousand time over during the coming months whether the magazine consents to such reproductions or not. This cover image will be recast not as ridicule, but confirmation of their vile allegations that this wartime presidential candidate and his innocent spouse are covert members of the terrorist enemy groups who want to destroy the US and all it stands for.

    In my opinion, the editors and publisher of the New Yorker owe Senator Obama and his wife a public apology for the huge insult it has dealt them. Satire it may be, but at the worst possible time, and in the worst possible taste.

      #1.17 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 6:21 PM EDT
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      Rodney Williams

      Thanks New Yorker, if somehow he's elected I now have my presidental picture to hang on the wall for four years to remind me of what America has become.

      • 7 votes
      Reply#2 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 12:41 PM EDT
      royalcat

      It's a shame, too. But America has been racist for a long time, it just didn't get that way.

        #2.1 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 2:14 PM EDT
        otm

        You are entitled to your opinion and I am entitled to mine. You are a racist ignoramus. It's people like you that lend credence to the falsity of intelligent design, since you show none.

          #2.2 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 3:20 PM EDT
          Rodney Williams

          otm, is this some of the liberal anger and hatred I see everyday towards someone who doesn't share your view? Where is this "your entitled to your opinion" when obviously you show no acceptance of others views. Sad that this country is so full of left wing hatred.

          • 2 votes
          #2.3 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 3:29 PM EDT
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          voltigeur

          The cover is actually lampooning the right wing nut jobs and the FOX propaganda net work for the outrageous claims that have very little facts behind them. Everyone knows the truth but never seems to get around to actually checking things out.

          • 5 votes
          Reply#3 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 12:41 PM EDT
          Morwynd

          The people on this thread saying "the truth hurts" or some derivative are the same geniuses who probably think Stephen Colbert is a genuine Republican.

          They truly don't understand that the joke is on them. Incredible.

          When Digg.com has far more intelligent comments on this story, you know Newsvine is in big, big trouble.

          As for myself, I can understand why Obama's team is upset... most political cartoons are caricatures (ie, exaggerated, but basically truthful), and it's only natural that many people will interpret this as such without bothering to determine the New Yorker's actual intent.

            #3.1 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 7:22 PM EDT
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            Ron-360667

            I love it, it is about time some one potray's them as they really are

            • 5 votes
            Reply#4 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 12:42 PM EDT
            pwrpuff1

            What's that suppose to mean? You're discriminating against Muslims. Not all Muslims are bad. There are terrorist in every religion. So grow up and learn your history!

            • 2 votes
            #4.1 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 1:09 PM EDT
            Ro-376281

            Exactly just because a few people belonging to a certain group are bad that does not mean every one is bad. Some the folks in this are ridiculous. It is so sad that a person of color may be our first president and folks try to paint him in such a light or think of him as the worst thing that can happen to this country. They are not thinking of what Bush has done to this country high as all get go oil prices, US troops dying left and right, American people losing their jobs because of out sourcing. You tell me who the REAL terrorist is?

            • 1 vote
            #4.2 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 1:33 PM EDT
            dgomes57

            Do you realize that Clinton outsourced jobs to Ireland during his administration....the Democrats are not clean either....time to pick someone who is not from either party....but will have the moral fortitude to stand up for what is right.....

              #4.3 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 1:55 PM EDT
              Shawn in Texas

              Quit trying to blame this on race or religion. It's crap... all of it. We're not black vs. white, christian vs. muslim. It's Obama vs. McCain (and hopefully vs. any WORTHY independent). Any of you that make reference of placing a vote because of race in this election shoud be touted as a racist. We need an effective leader, not someone that will look favorably toward the white or black people.

              And guess what, Obama better get over being made fun of if he really wants to hold office. It's in all the newspapers. All the late-night comedy skits. And yes, magazines too. Our presidents (past, present, and future) being made fun of. That's just a part of being president. Yes, and this was fun made of Obama, not any of you. So no one has the right to take this article 'personal' except Obama.

              ...and Ro-376281, you are sadly mistaken if you think the gas prices are Bush's fault. Quit blaming the president. He doesn't set the prices of oil or gas. This economy isn't tumbling down because of any one person. Oh, by the way, where does most of the oil profits go? It surely doesn't stay here in America... and that makes me mad.

                #4.4 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 3:43 PM EDT
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                beccalen2

                Finally someone sees the truth. This magazine cover represents our future if this man is put into our White House. Hopefully the truth will reach all those who have been so blind as to have voted for him in the first place.

                • 8 votes
                Reply#5 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 12:43 PM EDT
                Ro-376281

                It is so sad that a person of color may be our first president and folks try to paint him in such a light or think of him as the worst thing that can happen to this country. They are not thinking of what Bush has done to this country high as all get go oil prices, US troops dying left and right, American people losing their jobs because of out sourcing. You tell me who the REAL terrorist is?

                • 2 votes
                #5.1 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 1:35 PM EDT
                Lynn W

                If that's true, why does the entire Middle East hope that Barrack gets elected...? I don't think it's because they think he knows what he is doing...if he gets elected!

                • 2 votes
                #5.2 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 2:22 PM EDT
                CairoThespia

                Whats wrong with somone being portrayed as muslim? Why is being muslim a bad/evil/wrong thing now? I think its so stupid that people think being a muslim is so terrible that they point the finger at Obama and say "Muslim!" in the same manner they may point at a personand say "Racist!"

                • 1 vote
                #5.3 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 2:37 PM EDT
                wmolaw

                Cairo:

                Interesting point. Why do people think that a person/political candidate garbed as a muslim is meant to represent a terrorist?

                • 1 vote
                #5.4 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 2:42 PM EDT
                Stranger in my own Country

                OK, now I have seenthis kind of post a few times here. I think the cartoon taken by itself, is tasteless and actually profane.
                I wonder though if all the people that are afraid of Obama and cast him in this light, are just afraid of the unknown. I too am afraid of the unknown....I am also afraid of 4 more years of Bush that we will probably get with McCain (with some slight changes).

                But I think the greater disturbing factor is this is just another case of the media trying to control and create the news and what/how we think. There are plenty of people in America that will look at the cartoon and never read the article. Thus creating a false opinion.

                • 1 vote
                #5.5 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 4:09 PM EDT
                le kenn

                if the new yorker say's the picture is to broaden views and to show the right wing and anyone else that think or make issue of obama being muslum as nuts than I agree and understand the story behind the picture, the problem is, that it lends credit to those in this country who want obama to fail and is not ready(and never will be) for a black man to be president as well as those people who have been brain washed and this says to them that you can now feel ok to not vote for obama.
                not all terriost are muslum...remenber timothy mcfay?( blew up the federal building and killed woman and children.

                  #5.6 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 6:13 PM EDT
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                  Leadcork

                  Let's hope the readers of New Yorker are those able to discern satire from slams in the guise of satire!

                  • 2 votes
                  Reply#6 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 12:43 PM EDT
                  Will66

                  The problem is that even if the readers of the magazine can discern the difference, the average "Joe 6-pack" passing the newsstand probably can't. That person already incorrectly believes the absurdity depicted on the cover, and in a few days will swear they actually saw a real photo of this. If the New Yorker was indeed poking fun at the idea that people actually believe this stuff, this was not the way to do it. I'd really like to think the American voting public is intelligent enough to make impartial, logically-based decisions, but reading some of these other posts I see that's clearly not the case.

                  • 1 vote
                  #6.1 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 3:59 PM EDT
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                  VRCA

                  The New Yorker knew exactly what it was doing by displaying that picture. They seek to strike more fear in the people that already believe this nonsense. The blue-collar American don't subscribe to the New Yorker, their information is mainly by word of mouth or local news. What they see more often than likely is what they will believe.
                  Frankly, I think the New Yorker is a Republican magazine. John McCain can sit back and relax and let the New Yorker do his dirty work for him.
                  I wish we had coverage of the candidates without the favoritism from the magazines, newspapers and TV shows of their favorite candidate. I wonder can they do that?

                  • 1 vote
                  Reply#7 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 12:44 PM EDT
                  snuggler

                  All this did was give Obama more coverage than he already deserves. If the TV, magazines and newspapers wouldn't do favoritism we should would see alot less of Obama. They have made him so many people's favorite. Not mine though. I think the man speaks in circles and can never completely come out and say what he feels or thinks. He hedges around the actual question when being asked one of importance about the country, the people and the economy.

                    #7.1 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 1:36 PM EDT
                    Stranger in my own Country

                    I dont think so. I think most media is now politically driven. There are some independent media streams out there, but unfortunately they do not get to enough of America to make a difference.

                    • 1 vote
                    #7.2 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 4:11 PM EDT
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                    Michael-376232

                    There has been enough documentation to support this issue and it is appalling to me that the American people continue to be so blinded as to see what is going on.
                    This man does not have to hide his religious belief. Most Americans have been so brain washed they would see the truth if it hit them in the face!

                    • 1 vote
                    Reply#8 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 12:44 PM EDT
                    Lynn W

                    Yeah, he follows a church that is anti-white and that is stupid enough to believe that the government gave African americans the Aids virus.....that sounds like someone who should be president- NOT!!! Being black has NOTHING TO DO WITH IT!!! This guy is scary!!! No experience, no convictions. Why do you think the Middle East wants him to be president?

                    NOBAMA 2008

                      #8.1 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 3:48 PM EDT
                      Will66

                      And this argument that because the pastor of his church said certain things means he (Obama) actually believes them is getting old quick. With this same logic, anyone who goes to a church where the priest had sexual indiscretions with an alter boy is now a child molester themselves? The fear and misinformation being spewed in this and other forums is what's scary.

                      • 1 vote
                      #8.2 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 4:13 PM EDT
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                      Justmyopinion1908

                      How stupid...there's no wonder why we are lagging behind in this country. We spend too much time with issues like this one. We like to operate in fear and make everyone scared all the time. The Obamas a no more terrorists than George Bush is smart. Give us a break!

                      • 2 votes
                      Reply#9 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 12:45 PM EDT
                      keep america ours

                      you ever heard of sleepers and are you willing to take that chance

                      • 4 votes
                      #9.1 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 12:51 PM EDT
                      Justmyopinion1908

                      Whatever...are you willing to take the chance on McCain...Apparently so. I don't see Obama as any worse than him.

                      • 2 votes
                      #9.2 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 12:52 PM EDT
                      keep america ours

                      at least McCain fought for this country and I dont think he has ties to terrorist groups

                      • 4 votes
                      #9.3 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 1:03 PM EDT
                      Ro-376281

                      Thank you!

                      • 1 vote
                      #9.4 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 1:36 PM EDT
                      Ro-376281

                      Mean to say thank you Justmyopinion1908

                        #9.5 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 2:06 PM EDT
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                        keep america ours

                        I totally agree with the cover and hope AMERICA wakes up and sees what kind of person they are trying to have elected as president of the United States. We have been attacked by his kind unmercifully and we do not need the muslims running our country

                        • 6 votes
                        Reply#10 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 12:45 PM EDT
                        wiseguy54

                        We don't need christians running it either.

                        • 1 vote
                        #10.1 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 1:40 PM EDT
                        someone who really cares

                        First of all when was America ever yours????

                        Secondly, if you sit there and believe that there are not ties within the Bush campaign (as you previously stated you are DEAD wrong!!!

                        Lastly, if you agree with this cover than how stupid are you really. Do you think that any other race, outside of Caucasians with deep pockets, would have the ability to get this far without an in depth and extensive background check. If he had any ties to any petty or even notable organization, they would have kicked him out of the party a long time ago.

                        The truth is simple-minded, fearful of other race people like you (and most of the people on here who are posting comments to support this display of madness) will always view other races as less than themselves...

                        Get a new point of view and come to the realization that there are people who care about the America that all races and nationalities helped to build.

                        • 3 votes
                        #10.2 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 1:49 PM EDT
                        Houston-376752

                        When will peolpe believe that Obama is not a Muslin. And if he is so what. We have had Catholics in the oval office.

                        • 1 vote
                        #10.3 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 2:21 PM EDT
                        sassybear

                        YOu don't officially know anything about Obama or McCain! You are the type of person who agrees w/ what the majority says, not what you literally found out yourself. Just because he is a black man (birthed by a white woman & raised w/ white grandparents) & someone THINKS he is a terroist doesn't make it CORRECT.

                        FEAR-MONGERING SHOULD BE AGAINST THE LAW~!
                        AND ITS TIME TO WASH YOUR WHITE SHEETS~!

                        • 1 vote
                        #10.4 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 2:53 PM EDT
                        wmolaw

                        SassyBear:

                        FEAR-MONGERING SHOULD BE AGAINST THE LAW~!

                        Damn, that would put 99% of the politicians out of business, including Obama.

                        • 2 votes
                        #10.5 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 3:10 PM EDT
                        Will66

                        And you honestly belive he's a muslim? I really hope he gets in so 4 (or better 8) years from now, everyone who believes what you do gets a big "I told you so" from the more informed among us. Patriotism and/or love of this country should NEVER be used to mask Ignorance, Racism, and Fear.

                          #10.6 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 4:20 PM EDT
                          Barb-281677

                          When will people stop talking about whether he is a muslim. Who cares, make your decision based on his abilities, his performance, how he does in debates etc.
                          What he does in church on Sunday or Sat at the kingdom hall or in temple doesn't matter. Knock it off or go to your room;-)
                          All this over a cartoon drawing.... we are getting crazed in this here United States.

                            #10.7 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 4:21 PM EDT
                            Laura-375099

                            Keep America Ours: Are you a native American? If not, which "ours" are you talking about and how did it become "ours"?

                              #10.8 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 4:38 PM EDT
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                              Leadcork

                              Are we sure it is not a slam in the guise of "satire"? This magazine has done that before.

                                Reply#11 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 12:46 PM EDT
                                tg1ton

                                I love it, although very tasteless, I love it......open up people's eyes. It is very scary that this guy has a very good chance to be the leader of this nation.

                                • 2 votes
                                Reply#12 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 12:46 PM EDT
                                Tasha-376249

                                This is a great cover and I commend the New Yorker for showing him as what kind of person he truly is. I was beginning to become afraid that this man was being hailed by everyone in America as some kind of 'hero.' I'm very happy to see that some people in this country still have their wits about them.

                                • 4 votes
                                Reply#13 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 12:46 PM EDT
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                                royalcat

                                It is very offensive, and should have never been put on the front of the magazine. I will never buy the New Yorker again.

                                Perhaps the New Yorker will run a "satire" on McCain. Let's see now....should it be the adulterer sneaking out on his first wife Carol to go shacking up with Cindy before he and Carol were divorced ....... OR........

                                perhaps draw him as a two year old, put him in a diaper, give him a great big baby bonnet, and have him screaming obscenities during a temper tantrum while his finger wavers over the red button to start WWIII?

                                Either one, but people need to understand, McCain committed adultery while married to his first wife, later divorced her and married the rich chick. And if he doesn't get his way, his temper is that of a two year old. So all you people who hated Clinton for what he did, McCain is no better, probably worse.

                                • 3 votes
                                Reply#14 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 12:48 PM EDT
                                keep america ours

                                whats worse in your eyes ,adultery or belonging to a church that preaches hatred for the white man and condones violence against the white opressor Yeah that sounds like a great president for the black man and muslims

                                • 3 votes
                                #14.1 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 1:00 PM EDT
                                Rodney Williams

                                What McCain has done has no policital significance. Divorcing his wife or cursing are not political issues, who Obama is and what he proposed does.

                                • 1 vote
                                #14.2 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 1:01 PM EDT
                                keep america ours

                                who Obama is is a muslim with ties to terrorist and there country You know the one that killed about 3000 innocent americans

                                • 2 votes
                                #14.3 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 1:05 PM EDT
                                royalcat

                                Keepamericaours, Which is in the Bible? Adultery or preaching against an oppressor? I tolerated, for a while, a white bigot preacher who used n***** in his sermons and although it displeased my friends and family I left the church until he resigned. As a white woman, I have seen and heard racist remarks made by white people all my life. I think it's time for some of you to realize what really goes on in this country, as if these comments don't show you already. And it has been established that Obama is not a Muslim with ties to terrorists. And you might work on spelling and grammar. It's not "there" country, it's "their" country.
                                And Rodney, so sleeping around on one's wife is of no significance. He was dishonest then, and he can be dishonest now. And I'm not speaking of cursing, I'm speaking of temper!

                                • 3 votes
                                #14.4 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 1:31 PM EDT
                                Rodney Williams

                                I believe that what happens in your personal life does not reflect your character or your ability to make sound judgements. At least that's what we learned durning the Clinton administration. As for cursing, are all those comedians on the Comedy Channel angry?

                                  #14.5 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 2:40 PM EDT
                                  Lynn W

                                  And Barrack did cocaine. So what? Which is worse an adulterer or a drug user?

                                    #14.6 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 3:52 PM EDT
                                    royalcat

                                    Barrack did cocaine? I hadn't heard that.
                                    And I don't ever watch the Comedy Channel.
                                    It's not the cursing, again, it's the temper that he displays.
                                    And again, I haven't made my choice of whom to vote for.
                                    I have no real reason to vote for either one.

                                      #14.7 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 3:59 PM EDT
                                      Rodney Williams

                                      If temper is any reason to disqualify anyone from Presidency, let no man hold office. Find one man upon this earth who hasn't show anger to some degree. If anyone who's been a prisoner of war doesn't show some emotion, than I'm not sure I would want him either. He may not be America's best choice, but he's the only choice we have.

                                        #14.8 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 4:59 PM EDT
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                                        Scott from Maine

                                        Yawn! Wake me up when real news starts to happen.

                                        • 2 votes
                                        Reply#15 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 12:49 PM EDT
                                        Josh, Seattle, WA

                                        Those that find the cover "tasteless and offensive" miss the point: the conservative right wing has developed propaganda painting Sen. Obama in the very portrait depicted by the New Yorker: as a terrorist, as an anti-American. The cover cuts to the heart of the matter, speaking a thousand words on the degree to which some will go to denigrate and be smudge the character of a worthy competitor. If the freedom of speech and freedom of the press clauses are still in working order, than surely a periodical can respond to the incorrigible allegations about Sen. Obama within that medium which truly portrays such allegations as the baseless filth that they are: satire.

                                        • 3 votes
                                        Reply#16 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 12:50 PM EDT
                                        PushB79

                                        The cover is tasteless, but it should be remembered that the press considers its self our "protector" & therefore a 4th branch of government which has no accountability to the public. I was in line at the San Antonio airport after the Texas vote. The reporter in front of me, who was a Reuter's photographer from Canada, indicated that he was neutral 3 times as fawned over Obama. He doth protest too much!

                                        Now to the point of the caricature; Obama's actions have demonstrated that he is running for a leadership position in the world, not necessarily as President of the United States. I find it ironic that he assumes he should be president, when a nation's leadership is supposed advocate the nation and its people. If he wants to take a leadership position as a global advocate, he should apply at the United Nations or a Global Company which operates on a Global basis.

                                          #16.1 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 1:35 PM EDT
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                                          KayO

                                          If you can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen! Bravo on the cover, tasteless or not in viewer's eyes!if it accomplishing nothing else but keeping citizens and voters focused and engaged in the upcoming election.

                                          • 1 vote
                                          Reply#17 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 12:50 PM EDT
                                          Barb-281677

                                          I am not sure about this... perhaps we are all being hyper sensitive. This is not atypical of caricatures New Yorker has done in the past.... And, voltigeur above makes a great point....

                                          • 2 votes
                                          Reply#18 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 12:50 PM EDT
                                          royalcat

                                          Caricatures and satire usually have some semblance of truth to them. This one does not.

                                            #18.1 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 12:52 PM EDT
                                            Barb-281677

                                            Sitire generally aims to exploit a weakness via ridicule, irony or sarcasm. You are assuming that they are exploiting him for actually being a muslim and her a terrorist and I think the opposite is Possible.

                                            As voltigeur is #4 post above " The cover is actually lampooning the right wing nut jobs and the FOX propaganda net work for the outrageous claims that have very little facts behind them"

                                            It is a caricature and therefore is an exaggeration. The NYorker is famous for them! Maybe folks think it is irresponsible for them to play on others fears -which I dont think they were. However, freedom of speech is still something we are entitled to -ALL OF US. If we don't like it then we have the Right not to buy it/the right to disregard it/not read/not watch that particular magazine/show etc.

                                              #18.2 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 4:06 PM EDT
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                                              Ro-376281

                                              Are you kidding me?! I mean are you really kidding freaking me?! Did they really put this cartoon on the front cover for the world to see? I can understand people are afraid of Obama and such, and the New Yorker "says" that they are just putting these fears and prejudices out there, but did they really have to put this ugly, tasteless cartoon on the cover. If their intention was to display what some Americans fear about Obama (and why do people think Obama is a terrorist any way?) they could have done it another way. This country needs to get a grip and stop hating people of color. GET OVER IT PEOPLE!!!!!

                                              • 1 vote
                                              Reply#19 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 12:51 PM EDT
                                              pixie88

                                              Its called freedom of speech. They can put anything they wish on their magazine. You missed the point and there is no explaining it to you. You would not listen anyway.

                                              • 2 votes
                                              #19.1 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 1:44 PM EDT
                                              Lynn W

                                              Color has nothing to do with it in many people's eyes. Its not that they are afraid to have a black man as president at all. It is this particluar black man that they are afraid of. Any even slightly negative comment that is said about him- he reacts in a hyper-sensitive manner as if no one has the right to know anything about him or questions anything he says or does. They are afraid to have him as President because he has completed less than one term as a senator, he is a member is a white hating and a violence loving church! They are afraid of him because he cannot make a stand on anything without flip lopping back and forth over his committment. Please you need to think long and hard before elcting this man to the Presidency, as he is not prepared to handle it!

                                              NOBAMA 2008

                                              • 1 vote
                                              #19.2 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 1:58 PM EDT
                                              Rodney Williams

                                              It has to do with political agenda's not color. I'd vote for Condoleezza Rice over McCain any day. But that was never an option.

                                                #19.3 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 3:01 PM EDT
                                                Terry G. Fisher

                                                YOU get over it, RO. You have the intellect of a retarded earthworm. That cartoon is supposed to poke fun at the people who THINK Obama is a Muslim. Not at Obama.

                                                  #19.4 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 3:03 PM EDT
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                                                  Justmyopinion1908

                                                  Spin, spin, spin...you guys should be tired from this cycle of fear. Is that why our stock market prices are plummeting...because of fear?? This type of nonsense clearly shows that if another Republican is allowed to win the White House in November, we get what we deserve...

                                                    Reply#20 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 12:51 PM EDT
                                                    KtKat

                                                    Seriously? Are you people commenting that this is the "REAL" Obama being ignorant or just moronic? The New Yorker knew EXACTLY what they were doing. They knew EXACTLY the reaction it would get. And it's idiots like the commenters here that would look at this cover and believe it, and therefore not investigate whether or not it's true.

                                                    The collective intelligence of Americans continues to decline at an appalling rate, as witnessed by how the media now get away with anything they want, as long as it's entertaining. What happened to REAL news and REAL coverage? Disgusting.

                                                    • 2 votes
                                                    Reply#21 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 12:52 PM EDT
                                                    royalcat

                                                    You are right on, look at all the "reality" shows. They play for the ignorant not for the intellect. What is scary is that these people are beginning to be the majority.

                                                      #21.1 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 12:56 PM EDT
                                                      pixie88

                                                      Do you know why a lot of people could believe these things to be true? Because we know NOTHING about this Man. He has nothing to back him up. What is there to research? Maybe he would be a good President, maybe not. We just DO NOT KNOW. I personally will not jump from the fire to the frying pan and call it making a change.

                                                      • 1 vote
                                                      #21.2 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 1:46 PM EDT
                                                      royalcat

                                                      You don't know anything about Obama? Look it up or read this.

                                                      Obama was born in Honolulu,
                                                      Hawaii, August 4, 1961. His father was a professor
                                                      from Kenya and his mother an American. He obtained
                                                      his early education in Jakarta, Indonesia, and
                                                      Hawaii, and went on to Occidental College in Los
                                                      Angeles, later transferring to Columbia University
                                                      in New York City. After graduating from Columbia,
                                                      Obama studied law at Harvard University, where he
                                                      became the first African-American president of the
                                                      Harvard Law Review, and received his J.D. in 1992.
                                                      He served as a lecturer on constitutional law at
                                                      the University of Chicago until winning a seat in
                                                      the Illinois State Senate in 1996. He served in the
                                                      Illinois Senate from 1997 to 2004, until he was
                                                      elected as a Democrat to the U.S. Senate in 2004.
                                                      He began his first term in the U.S. Senate on
                                                      January 3, 2005.

                                                      Does this help? Or this?

                                                      Sworn into office January 4, 2005, Senator Obama serves on the Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee, which oversees our nation's health care, schools, employment, and retirement programs. He is a member of the Foreign Relations Committee, which plays a vital role in shaping American policy around the world, including our policy in Iraq. And Senator Obama serves on the Veterans' Affairs Committee, which is focused on providing our brave veterans with the care and services they deserve. In 2005 and 2006, he served on the Environment and Public Works Committee, which safeguards our environment and provides funding for our highways.

                                                      During his eight years in the Illinois state Senate, Obama worked with both Democrats and Republicans to help working families get ahead by creating programs like the state Earned Income Tax Credit, which in three years provided over $100 million in tax cuts to families across the state. Obama also pushed through an expansion of early childhood education, and after a number of inmates on death row were found innocent, Senator Obama enlisted the support of law enforcement officials to draft legislation requiring the videotaping of interrogations and confessions in all capital cases.

                                                      Barack Obama was born on August 4th, 1961, in Hawaii to Barack Obama, Sr. and Ann Dunham. Obama graduated from Columbia University in 1983, and moved to Chicago in 1985 to work for a church-based group seeking to improve living conditions in poor neighborhoods plagued with crime and high unemployment. In 1991, Obama graduated from Harvard Law School where he was the first African American president of the Harvard Law Review.

                                                        #21.3 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 3:08 PM EDT
                                                        Lynn W

                                                        TEACHINGRULES...I think you need to check your math. In one sentence you say he started his first senate term in 2005, in the next paragraph you state that he spent 8 years in the Illinois senate. So which is it? He decided that he wanted to run for president in 2007, that's two years as a senator and he's more or less stopped doing that to run for president half way through his first term!!!

                                                        Technically, his mother was not an American citizen. She came to this country when she was 15, she had Barrack two or three years later. You have to be in this country for 5 years before you were considered a citizen at that time. She was only in this country 3 years, not 5 years before he was born. So technically, he's not an American citizen either! If you don't believe me, look it up.

                                                        The reason to question whether he is ready to be president is not because he's black or a muslim, it's his total lack of experience!

                                                        • 1 vote
                                                        #21.4 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 4:04 PM EDT
                                                        royalcat

                                                        Lynn, sorry typo, got information from Obama for senator web page.

                                                        Re: Obama's mother
                                                        Ann Dunham, grew up in Wichita, Kansas. Her father worked on oil rigs during the Depression. After the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor, he signed up for service in World War II and marched across Europe in Patton's army. Dunham's mother went to work on a bomber assembly line. After the war, they studied on the G. I. Bill, bought a house through the Federal Housing Program, and moved to Hawaii.

                                                        How could she come to this country when she was 15, if her dad worked during the depression and served during WWII?

                                                          #21.5 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 4:24 PM EDT
                                                          iamfree

                                                          Lynn W, I think you need to re-read Teachingrules post. He was an Illinois state senator for nearly 8 years, then became a US senator, taking office on 1/4/05.

                                                          I'm not sure where you got the information that his mother was not an American citizen. I thought she was born in Kansas (I may be wrong). I live in Kansas, and the last I heard, we are part of the continental US. If she was born in another country, can you please say where that was? In any event, to my knowledge, her parents were both American citizens, making her an American citizen even if she was born in Timbuktu.

                                                          I am not opposed to Mr. Obama because of his race, but rather because of his politics and his lack of good sense (as evidenced by his many distasteful past and present associations).

                                                            #21.6 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 4:28 PM EDT
                                                            royalcat

                                                            Oh and that is 8 years in the Illinois senate, Lynn. I just went back and checked.

                                                              #21.7 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 4:40 PM EDT
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                                                              Leadcork

                                                              I am amazed at the tenor of the comments! I knew these kinds of people could not read, but I was almost certain they could not write!

                                                                Reply#22 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 12:52 PM EDT
                                                                royalcat

                                                                They can read, they just can't comprehend.

                                                                  #22.1 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 2:16 PM EDT
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                                                                  julioX

                                                                  How idiotic:
                                                                  "Tasteless and Offensive"? - That's the Definition of SATIRE !!
                                                                  Which is not only protected by the Freedom of Speech, but it's a also a RIGHT and a great example of Tragi-Comedy (= Reality?)*.
                                                                  *(from my High School Freshman book on World Literature).
                                                                  This is nothing compared to what the WORLD will put out if he becomes the President ....
                                                                  (See Hugo chavez, for instance. Known as Hugo_rilla ...).
                                                                  They can fight the New Yorker, but whe whole world????

                                                                  • 1 vote
                                                                  Reply#23 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 12:52 PM EDT
                                                                  pie-376294

                                                                  This is nonsense they should pull the magazine off the shelf. By having an offensive cover like this I will never subscribe to an ignorant magazine. THE NEW YORKER huh you stink!!!!! It should be the NEW STINKER huh huh some more.

                                                                    Reply#24 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 12:53 PM EDT
                                                                    Lynn W

                                                                    Oh, GROW UP!!!

                                                                    • 1 vote
                                                                    #24.1 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 1:59 PM EDT
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                                                                    julioX

                                                                    How idiotic:
                                                                    "Tasteless and Offensive"? - That's the Definition of SATIRE !!
                                                                    Which is not only protected by the Freedom of Speech, but it's a also a RIGHT and a great example of Tragi-Comedy (= Reality?)*.
                                                                    *(from my High School Freshman book on World Literature).
                                                                    This is nothing compared to what the WORLD will put out if he becomes the President ....
                                                                    (See Hugo chavez, for instance. Known as Hugo_rilla ...).
                                                                    They can fight the New Yorker, but whe whole world????

                                                                    • 1 vote
                                                                    Reply#25 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 12:53 PM EDT
                                                                    royalcat

                                                                    Okay, okay, julio. You really need help.

                                                                      #25.1 - Mon Jul 14, 2008 2:17 PM EDT
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